THE TRIBES OF PALOS VERDES filmmaker Emmett Malloy will participate in Q&A’s at the Royal after the 7:10 PM screenings on Friday and Saturday, December 8 and 9. Ella Taylor of NPR will moderate.
Jewish Journal L.A.: ‘1945’ Examines Postwar Angst in Hungary.
‘1945’ Examines Postwar Angst in Hungary
BY TOM TUGEND | PUBLISHED NOV 17, 2017
An ancient train, belching black smoke, pulls into a station near an unnamed Hungarian village and out step two Orthodox Jews. Not losing a moment, the stationmaster sounds the alarm: “The Yids are coming!”
The year — and the title of the movie — is “1945,” a time when the inhabitants of the village and the rest of their countrymen have arrived at a junction in history and are unsure which path to follow.
While Hungary’s Holocaust-themed movie “Son of Saul” won the Academy Award for foreign-language film two years ago, exhibiting the full horror of the Shoah and its concentration camps, the postwar “1945” probes the potential for greed and selfishness in every human being.
“We are the third postwar generation,” director Ferenc Torok said in a phone interview from Budapest. “And a lot of people are asking what their parents and grandparents did during the world war.”
The film takes place in the middle of summer as the villagers till their fields, smoke and drink endlessly, and prepare for the wedding of the son of a domineering town clerk to a pretty peasant girl. Nazi Germany had surrendered two months earlier, in May, and while some Soviet troops have arrived, the Communist puppet government has not yet assumed power.
The two arriving Jews — the older clad in a black coat and hat and his adult son wearing a workman’s cap and clothing — unload two large trunks and hire a horse-drawn cart and its driver to carry their load for the hour-long trip to the village, while father and son follow behind on foot.
As the odd procession wends its way through the countryside, the stationmaster’s warning stokes the villagers’ fears that the survivors among their former Jewish neighbors now will demand the return of the houses, businesses and furniture they left behind when they were deported to concentration camps. That means the town clerk would no longer own the drug store and his wife could no longer glory in the beautiful rugs, dishes and silver menorah of the previous owner.
In the ensuing panic, some try to hide their ill-gotten gains, while others put their hopes in papers, signed by the pro-Nazi wartime government, “officially” transferring the abandoned homes and goods to the gentile neighbors.
When horse, cart and the “Yids” arrive at the village, women peek through shutters, the pharmacist tries to hide his tubes and bottles. Rumors spread that the trunks contain perfumes and beauty aids to sell to the village women.
Finally, the cart and two men arrive at the gates of the abandoned Jewish cemetery. The younger Jew, with a concentration camp number tattooed on his forearm, takes a key out of his pocket and opens the rusty gate, as a posse of hostile villagers gathers nearby. Inside the cemetery, father and son open the trunks and bury the unexpected contents. In the final scene, the two strangers re-board the train, their mission accomplished.
The result is a masterfully directed, acted and photographed movie, which again disproves predictions that the time of the Holocaust-themed movie has expired, even as the last eyewitnesses are dying.
Torok, who is not Jewish, said that part of the continued interest in a place like Hungary, whose Jewish population was decimated during the war, has to do with the fact that for many years while the nation was a Communist satellite, the subject of the Holocaust — and particularly the participation of many Hungarians in it — was taboo. The same applied to the collaboration of many Hungarians with Hitler’s regime, as German and Hungarian troops fought together in the invasions of Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union.
The film started as a short story by Hungarian Jewish writer Gabor T. Szanto, titled “Homecoming,” which won the Yad Vashem Avner Shalev Prize for best artistic representation of a Holocaust-related topic. Torok, relying on Szanto’s intimate knowledge of Jewish life and rituals, asked him also to write the screenplay.
In a separate phone interview, Szanto, editor of the Hungarian-Jewish magazine “Szombat” (Sabbath), made a number of observations on Hungarian Jewry, past but mostly present.
“The Holocaust is still the cornerstone of our thinking, not only for Hungary’s 80,000 Jews (compared with 450,000 before World War II) but to every other Nazi-occupied nation,” he said. “This film is really Europe’s story.”
In general, Hungarian Jews, like their American counterparts, tend to be liberals and left-leaning and they are concerned by their country’s political shift to the right, Szanto said. Among the worrisome signs is the growing strength of the nationalistic Jobbik party.
Another sign is the recent public poster campaign by the Hungarian government, depicting George Soros, a Hungarian-American and Jewish billionaire and philanthropist, as the mastermind of a massive of influx of illegal immigrants from the Middle East into Hungary.
“As a writer, I am a bit of an outsider and try to look at Hungary and its Jewish community realistically,” Szanto said. “We have many problems, but I don’t think they can be solved by ideologies. We can believe in ideals, but our solutions must be realistic. You can’t change human nature.”
“1945” begins screening on Nov. 25 at Laemmle’s Royal Theatre in West Los Angeles, Playhouse 7 in Pasadena and Town Center in Encino, as well as Westpark 8 in Irvine. On Dec. 8, the film will open at the Laemmle’s Claremont 5 in Claremont.
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10th Annual Christmas Eve FIDDLER SING-A-LONG is Around the Corner! Tickets now available!
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We’re pleased to announce an dynamic and eclectic line-up of Fiddler Hosts for 2017!
Ahrya Fine Arts
Kenny Ellis – entertainer, comedian, singer of Hanukah Swings! – BUY TIX
Royal
Gustavo Bulgach – musician, bandleader of Klezmer Juice – BUY TIX
NoHo 7
Susan Edwards Martin – Broadway star, entertainer – BUY TIX
Playhouse
Jason Moss – of Jewish Federation of the San Gabriel and Pamona Valleys – BUY TIX
Town Center 5
Steve Sass – of Jewish Historical Society (5:00pm show) – BUY TIX
Cantor Phil Baron – of Valley Beth Shalom (7:30pm show) – BUY TIX
Claremont 5
Cantor Paul Buch – of Temple Beth Israel – BUY TIX
Jump below to find out more about our hosts.
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You heard right … it’s our 10th year of FIDDLER! Join us as we celebrate a decade of song, shtick, and shenanigans by once again coming together as a community for Laemmle’s legendary Christmas Eve experience.
For 2017, this ever-popular event will be occurring at six of our neighborhood venues including the magnificent single screen, art deco AHRYA FINE ARTS in Beverly Hills (see below for full listing and ticket links).
(Jump down to watch the Sing-A-Long trailer. For tickets, visit Laemmle.com/Fiddler).
In addition to movie and song, the evening will feature TRIVIA with PRIZES being awarded to Fiddler buffs with the quickest recall. Dressing in COSTUME is not required, but highly encouraged! Who knows, perhaps the best costume will garner a prize? Or perhaps this is the year you’ll be given an opportunity to do your best Tevye or Golde impression? That will be up to the emcee. Indeed, each location will feature its own host, among them some of our favorites from year’s past including CANTOR PHIL BARON and klezmer band leader GUSTAVO BULGACH.
As Greg Laemmle is fond of saying “Christmas Eve isn’t just Chinese food!” He elaborates, “This is your once-a-year chance to be the star of the shtetl. Join with friends and neighbors and sing your heart out alongside Fiddler’s screen legends. And it’s okay if you haven’t memorized all the songs. We provide the lyrics.”
Song highlights include the iconic “TRADITION”, “IF I WERE A RICH MAN”, “TO LIFE”, “SUNRISE SUNSET”, “DO YOU LOVE ME?” and “ANATEVKA”, among many, many more.
Don’t be late! Those who wish to attend the program are advised to purchase tickets in advance as the program has traditionally sold to capacity. We welcome all those in the community who are looking for an alternative Christmas Eve.
See you in the shtetl…
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Fiddler Hosts – 2017
KENNY ELLIS at the Ahrya Fine Arts (Beverly Hills)
Once known as “The Man Behind the Matzoh Ball,” cantor and comedian KENNY ELLIS will be our host at the Ahrya Fine Arts in Beverly Hills. He appears in support of our community partner, the LOS ANGELES JEWISH FILM FESTIVAL. As a cantor and comedian, Ellis has entertained audiences all around the globe. Currently the cantor at Temple Beth Ami in Santa Clarita, you can also catch Ellis at the LAUGH FACTORY in Hollywood. Ellis achieved success with HANUKKA SWINGS! a recording that broke new ground as the first ever big band Hanukkah album. Large YouTube audiences have enjoyed “Swingin’ Dreidel” and other tracks from the hit record.
GUSTAVO BULGACH at the Royal (West L.A.)
Accomplished Klezmer musician and bandleader GUSTAVO BULGACH will be our host at the Royal in West L.A. Born and raised in Buenos Aires, Bulgach was inspired at an early age by the religious and secular life of the Argentine community. Now based in L.A., Bulgach travels the globe uplifting audiences with a vibrant, soulful Klezmer he terms the “soundtrack of the Diaspora.” Bulgach has been a longtime member of the House of Blues Foundation house band backing artist such as LITTLE RICHARD, TAJ MAHAL, and THE WAILERS. His own outfit, KLEZMER JUICE, was featured in the Hollywood mega hit movie THE WEDDING CRASHERS featuring Owen Wilson and Vince Vaughn.
SUSAN EDWARDS MARTIN at the NoHo 7 (N. Hollywood)
Broadway star SUSAN EDWARDS MARTIN will represent partner Temple Beth Hillel at our NoHo 7 venue. A star of Broadway, Martin is an accomplished singer, musician, actress and comedienne who originated the role of ‘Lady Blue’ in HARVEY FIERSTEIN’s Tony Award-winning play “Torch Song Trilogy.” She has also appeared in many other Broadway and Off-Broadway productions such as “Bubbling Brown Sugar,” “The Suicide,” and the long-running musical comedy “Scrambled Feet.” Numerous television credits include a recurring role on “Days of our Lives,” and guest appearances on “NYPD Blue,” “Designing Women,” and “Columbo,” among many others. Martin is currently creating a new original musical, “Unlimited” based on her personal story of growing up in Long Island and her ensuing life in show business.
JASON MOSS at the Playhouse 7 (Pasadena)
Executive Director of the Jewish Federation of the Greater San Gabriel and Pomona Valleys JASON MOSS will be our host at the Playhouse 7 in Pasadena. Under his leadership, the Federation has doubled its programming with the creation of such programs as the Cultural Arts Program, PJ Library, a nationally recognized program to reach and connect with unaffiliated Jewish families. In addition, Moss recently launched JLife SGPV, a lifestyle magazine celebrating Jewish life in the San Gabriel and Pomona Valleys.
Cantor PHIL BARON at the Town Center 5 (Encino), 7:30pm Show
Cantor PHIL BARON of Temple Valley Beth Shalom in Encino comes to us courtesy of community partner JEWISH HISTORICAL SOCIETY (JHS) and the BREED STREET SHUL. Baron is the son of a violinist and the grandson of a Vilna rabbi. Before becoming a cantor, he took a successful detour into children’s entertainment, where he had over 300 original songs recorded – nearly 200 of these by the Walt Disney Co. He co-created two television series for Jewish children, Bubbe’s Boarding House, and the multiple award-winning series Alef…Bet…Blast-off! As a vocalist he has been featured with the Los Angeles Jewish Symphony, the Cleveland Orchestra and the New Orleans Philharmonic.
Cantor PAUL BUCH at the Claremont 5 (Claremont)
Cantor PAUL BUCH has served Temple Beth Israel in Claremont since 2003. He came to the cantorate after a 25 year career in TV and film production in Los Angeles, New York, and Portland. In addition to his cantorial duties, Buch is President of the Claremont Interfaith Council and serves on the Faith-Based Roundtable of the Pomona Unified School District. He is also Chair of the City of Claremont’s Human Relations Committee and serves on an advisory committee at the Claremont School of Theology. This will be his fourth consecutive year as our Fiddler host in Claremont!
DATE: Sunday, December 24th
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Former ADL National Director Abe Foxman on the New Film ‘1945:’ “An astonishing new achievement.”
Based on the acclaimed story “Homecoming” by Gábor T. Szántó, 1945 is a haunting film about the deep undercurrents beneath the surface of a quaint village that’s ultimately forced to face up to its “ill-gotten gains” from the Second World War. We open 1945 next week at the Royal, Town Center, and Playhouse and next month at the Claremont 5. Former National Director of the Anti-Defamation League Abe Foxman saw and loved the movie and wrote the following about it:
“The Hungarian Jewish experience during WWII was unique among European countries. Until 1944, Hungarian Jews lived in relative safety despite anti-Jewish laws that existed since 1920 and pogroms in which the military participated (e.g. the 1942 Novi-Sad pogrom where 1000 Jews were murdered).
“But then, in March 1944, when the Germans occupied Hungary, Adolf Eichmann implemented the “final solution” in that country and was surprised by the collaboration and great help received from the Hungarian authorities. Thus, the deportation and murder of Hungarian Jews was swift and unparalleled among any other European country – in a few months more than 600,000 Jews were identified and sent to the murder camps.
“Only now, more than 70 years after, “Yad Vashem” has succeeded to identify the names of 80% of those who perished but the issue of their property and belongings has hardly been addressed.
“For that reason, the new Hungarian film 1945 , currently playing in NYC theaters and soon opening across North America, is quite relevant to today. But not only because of that…
“On one clear day, after the war ended, two Orthodox Jews appear in a small village in Hungary, hiring two locals to carry two trunks labeled “perfumes” for them. All they do is walk slowly, across the village, after the wagon carrying their trunks, but their appearance evokes strong feelings of guilt and remorse that slowly make the village community deteriorate.
“It seems most of the villagers collaborated in extraditing the Jews that lived there up to a year before and gladly took over their property, from kitchenware to their houses.
“Shot in beautiful black and white, director Ferenc Torok (who is not Jewish) interprets Gabor Szanto’s (who is Jewish) short story “Homecoming,” with vast strokes of sensitivity and a final mesmerizing emotional effect.
“1945 is a real masterpiece, heightened by the end of the film when we, the audience and the villagers, understand the real mission of these two Orthodox Jews. It’s a rare moment where one of Judaism’s most important contributions to the world, that of guilt and remorse over moral wrong doings and the sanctity of life, are presented in such a heart wrenching way on film.
“What is most astonishing is that the two Jews have not traveled to this village to claim their stolen property, but the emotional effect of their silence provokes this issue out from the conscience of the villagers.
“The issue of the stolen property of the Jews is still relevant today. Just recently the Polish government issued a new law which states compensation funds will be awarded only to people that are Polish citizens in the present, thus withholding compensation to the Jews and their descendants whose property was absconded in Poland during these years.
“Although Germany started compensating Jewish victims in the 1950’s, most Eastern European governments are still dragging their feet on this issue.
“The film 1945 is an astonishing new achievement which I highly recommend every human being to see, regardless of his/her religion.”
Q&A’s with THE DIVINE ORDER Filmmaker Petra Volpe Opening Weekend at the Royal.
THE DIVINE ORDER writer-director Petra Volpe will participate in Q&A’s after the 7 PM screenings at the Royal on Friday and Saturday, November 17 and 18.
MANSFIELD 66/67 with THE GIRL CAN’T HELP IT + WILL SUCCESS SPOIL ROCK HUNTER October 25-November 2 at the Ahrya Fine Arts Theater
Laemmle Theatres joins FilmBuff, The Ebersole Hughes Company, and Vintage Los Angeles for the opening night premiere of MANSFIELD 66/67, featuring the directors P. David Ebersole and Todd Hughes with special guests. Scheduled to appear: AJ Benza, Richmond Arquette, Mary Woronov, Donna Loren, Alison Martino and more! October 25 premiere seating is limited and tickets are $20 each.
MANSFIELD 66/67 is about the last two years of movie goddess Jayne Mansfield’s life, and the rumor that her untimely death was caused by a curse after her alleged romantic dalliance with Anton LaVey, head of the Church of Satan.
Welcome to MANSFIELD 66/67, a true story based on rumor and hearsay, where classic documentary interviews (including John Waters, Kenneth Anger, Dolly Read, Tippi Hedren, Mamie Van Doren, AJ Benza, Marilyn, Peaches Christ, Mary Woronov, Susan Bernard and more) and archival materials are blended with wild dance numbers, performance art and animation (voiced by Ann Magnuson and Richmond Arquette), elevating a tabloid tale of a fallen Hollywood idol into a celebration of the mythical proportions of a true original we can’t help but live to love more each day.
We open the film for a week-long engagement at the Fine Arts on Friday, October 27th and will also screen two Mansfield classics, THE GIRL CAN’T HELP IT from October 27th – 29th and WILL SUCCESS SPOIL ROCK HUNTER? on October 28 and 29.
WEEKEND SCHEDULE AND PRICING:
Friday, October 27th
MANSFIELD 66/67 – 7:30PM ($13 General, $10 Senior)
THE GIRL CAN’T HELP IT: 9:45PM ($8 General or $5 with purchase to MANSFIELD 66/67)
Saturday, October 28th
THE GIRL CAN’T HELP IT – 2:45PM ($8 General, Double feature with SUCCESS)
WILL SUCCESS SPOIL ROCK HUNTER? – 5:00PM ($8 General)
MANSFIELD 66/67 – 7:30PM ($13 General, $10 Senior)
WILL SUCCESS SPOIL ROCK HUNTER? – 9:45PM ($8 General or $5 with purchase to MANSFIELD 66/67)
Sunday, October 29th
MANSFIELD 66/67 – 12:30PM ($10 General, $7 Senior)
THE GIRL CAN’T HELP IT – 2:45PM ($8 General, Double feature with SUCCESS)
WILL SUCCESS SPOIL ROCK HUNTER? -5:00PM ($8 General)
MANSFIELD 66/67 – 7:30PM ($13 General, $10 Senior)
Holocaust historian Michael Berenbaum Q&A after PARADISE screening.
Holocaust historian Michael Berenbaum Holocaust historian Michael Berenbaum will participate in a Q&A after the 8 PM screening of PARADISE at the Town Center on Saturday, October 14.
Agnes Varda and JR on FACES PLACES: “We embrace chance, we enlist it as an assistant!”
Eighty-nine-year old Agnes Varda, one of the leading figures of the French New Wave, and acclaimed 33-year-old French photographer and muralist JR teamed up to co-direct this enchanting documentary/road movie. Kindred spirits, Varda and JR share a lifelong passion for images and how they are created, displayed and shared. Together they travel around the villages of France in JR’s photo truck meeting locals, learning their stories and producing epic-size portraits of them. The photos are prominently displayed on houses, barns, storefronts and trains revealing the humanity in their subjects, and themselves. Faces Places (originally titled Visages, villages) documents these heart-warming encounters as well as the unlikely, tender friendship they formed along the way. We open the film October 13 at the Royal and Playhouse and October 20 at the Town Center.
In January Agnes and JR had the following conversation based on an interview by Olivier Pere, Director of the cinema unit ARTE FRANCE:
Olivier Père: How did this film come about? Why did you want to make this film together?
JR: Let’s start at the beginning.
Agnès Varda: My daughter Rosalie thought it’d be nice for us to meet. We liked the idea.
JR: I made the first step. I went to see Agnès, at Rue Daguerre. I photographed the legendary façade of her place, where she’s lived a hundred years. And I took photos of her with a cat.
AV: Your grandma’s a hundred, not me. Not yet. The next day, I went to see him at his studio. I took portraits of him, and quickly realized he wasn’t going to remove his sunglasses.
JR: We met again the next day and the day after for tea.
AV: I immediately sensed we’d do something together.
JR: At first we talked about a short film…
AV: … a documentary. It seemed clear that your habit of pasting big pictures of people up on walls, empowering them through size, and my habit of listening to them and spotlighting what they say, would lead to something.
JR: And we wanted to hit the road together. Neither Agnès nor I had ever co-directed a film before.
OP: Why did you choose to focus primarily on people in the French countryside?
JR: Agnès wanted to get me out of cities.
AV: That’s right, because you’re truly an urban artist. And I love the country. We quickly hit on the idea of villages. That’s where we’d meet people, and that’s what happened. We took off in your incredible photo truck. The truck’s the actor in the film, always putting on a show.
JR: I’ve used that truck for years, for lots of projects.
AV: Yes, but this was our project and we set off in it together. At any rate, we had fun driving around
rural France in that truck. Going here and there.
OP: Was there a plan at least, an itinerary? How do you develop a film that’s essentially based on chance? On encounters? On discovery?
AV: Sometimes one of us knew someone in a village or had a specific thing in mind. So we’d go check it out. As always in documentaries – and I’ve done lots of them – you have an idea, but before long, chance enters into play – who you meet and who you know – and suddenly things congeal to focus on a specific person or place. Actually, we embrace chance, we enlist it as an assistant!
JR: We engage life too, since the film’s also the story of our encounter. We got to know each other on the road through the project and the amusing experience of working as a duo. I’m learning to understand Agnès a little better, what she sees and how she sees it, and she’s also trying to understand my artistic process. We talk a lot and try out ideas. Then we envisioned a feature film.
AV: That’s when Rosalie took the reins to produce it.
JR: You said, “Let’s do this.”
OP: The film is a journey through France but also through memory, both personal and collective. Of workers, farmers and villagers.
JR: Wherever we are, we can tell pretty quickly whether we’re going to make a connection.
AV: One thing I like about you is how fast you work. As soon as we meet someone, you’re already imagining what we could do with them. For instance, the postman in Bonnieux whom I knew and wanted you to meet because I like postmen. I like letters and stamps. You communicate essentially on the web and get 20,000 “likes” when you post an image, and here you agreed to turn that postman into a village hero, in giant format.
JR: Three stories tall.
AV: He was proud to be so big. From there we drove to Alpes-de-Haute-Provence.
JR: And someone told us about the factory near Château Arnoux.
AV: I knew the guy from the local movie theater, Jimmy. I’d presented Vagabond there. He showed us the factory.
JR: It’s a little dangerous (an upper-tier Seveso site). We were curious and went to check it out. We met people and came up with some ideas there.
AV: Industrial sites are beautiful. And the people who work there are good-hearted.
JR: They played along with us for a group photo. Some of the other places I assumed I was introducing you to, but it turned out you’d already been there years before. I was inspired by photos you took a long time ago. The collages in the film are the fruit of our collaboration.
AV: Often what you paste up are my photos.
JR: That’s true.
AV: Like the big goat with horns. I took that picture when we were location scouting.
JR: We spent a lot of time with Patricia, the woman who kept her goats’ horns instead of burning them off at birth like everyone else.
AV: People are intense when it comes to their work and words. That woman grew very impassioned about goats and their horns, her conviction was impressive.
JR: And in the North too we heard some powerful things.
AV: The mines are all gone today, but we met a woman, Jeannine, who’s the last inhabitant in a row of miners’ houses. She talked about her father who was a miner, and the former miners shared some beautiful stories about a world we know little about. It was interesting to hear them talk with such fervor. We were touched by Jeannine.
JR: You delve deep when you interview people. I was captivated to see you lead those conversations.
AV: You spoke to them a lot too.
JR: Of course. I’ve always loved doing that in my projects, like I’ve always seen you do in your films, with your own special approach that’s so gentle and delicate… and feminist too.
AV: Ah, I am indeed a feminist!
OP: Women are very present in the film. You show their importance in the agricultural milieu and the working class.
AV: Yes, JR and I both agreed it’s important and makes sense to let women have their say.
JR: That was Agnès’ idea. When I showed her all the photos of the dockworkers in Le Havre, she said, “Where are the women?” So I called the dockworkers back and asked, “Could your wives come to the port?” They said, “Listen, they never have, but maybe this is the chance.” It was pretty crazy to have them discover the port through this project.
AV: Three interesting women with something to say, it was great. I was pleased to see them in the spotlight, “for once,” as one of them said. The dockworkers helped out by putting huge containers at our disposal. We used them like Legos to build towers, make totems. You have to see it, words don’t do justice. What an adventure!
JR: We should also mention the dockworkers were in the middle of one of their biggest strikes. I’m still amazed they gave art such a place of honor, regardless of what was going on.
AV: It’s the idea that art is for everyone. The dockworkers agreed to help us because they were keen to participate in an artistic project.
JR: One of the factory workers said, “Art is meant to surprise us!” We disrupted them, but they accepted us. There were serious and complex events going on in France and around the world, yet we were committed to our project and the people we met understood that.
AV: A modest project in a period of widespread chaos.
OP: And in fact, your film is soothing.
AV: They also liked our good cheer and the way you’d tease me. We were intent on being ourselves and involving them in our project.
OP: You develop powerful relationships with the people you meet. You also remember the dead and pay homage to them during your travels: Nathalie Sarraute, Guy Bourdin, Cartier-Bresson.
AV: Yes, I knew them. Evoking them means placing them back in the present. It’s the result that is present. I passed Nathalie Sarraute’s house by chance, and that made me happy, but what we were interested in is the local farmer down the street who farms 2,000 acres on his own.
JR: Another place we filmed was an abandoned village. The place had a past, and we had our photo truck. We held a party with the locals. It’s got a funny name: Pirou-Plage.
AV: And that night there were hundreds of faces up on the walls. We left the next day. We learned since that the village has been demolished. Everything is changing.
JR: We don’t work solidly; our days are specific.
AV: That’s what I’ve always loved with documentaries. You spend a few days with people, you become friends then you lose touch with them, just like the way you depict them with large ephemeral images that will vanish from the walls. We know these moments are magical. The moment of meeting people, the moment of filming, pasting and voilà! I really love that.
JR: The moments don’t last, yet remain engraved.
OP: How did the shoot take place?
AV: We’d take one or two trips then stop, because I’m not strong enough anymore to shoot eight weeks in a row, standing out in the fields. We shot two to four days per month.
JR: I think it worked well. It allowed us to think things through, reflect and see where we were going. We started the editing. We’d talk for hours to figure out where to go and how. I’ve got a more improvisational side to me. “Let’s try, and see if it works.” Agnès, on the other hand, thinks out the whole sequence and a few specific shots. That reinforced the dynamic of our co-direction.
AV: There’s also a gap of several generations between us. Actually we didn’t think about that at all, even if you do climb stairs faster than I do! We were models for each other. That’s how I felt because, by filming the way you work, the way you climb scaffolds, we also get a portrait of you and your work. And you were interested in me too, in my faltering eyes.
JR: Right, we tried to show what’s happening to your eyes. I wanted to see for you, better than you who sees blurry…especially far away. I photographed your eyes very close and showed them from far away. And your toes too!
AV: Oh yes, my toes. I got a chuckle out of your ideas. Your constant teasing, but also the way you invented images of our friendship. It’s true, we share the desire to explore places and forms.
JR: I’d like to talk about something that seems important. Everyone we met taught us something. And vice versa.
AV: When we tell the garage mechanic about the goats with no horns, he says, “Oh, that’s amazing. I’ve learned something new. I’ll tell people about it.”
JR: From one person to another, from one idea to the next. Actually, the film’s a collage.
OP: The entire film’s a collage. With JR pasting giant photos on the walls and Agnès carrying out a cinematographic collage, with rhymes and visual riddles.
AV: I really like the idea that the editing process is a montage, a collage with plays on words and plays on images that take hold so we don’t have to say “chapter 1, chapter 2.” Sometimes I would visualize the montage as a series of words that rhyme [in French]: faces, places, collages, sharing…
OP: And shores. Tell us about the blockhouse, that bunker on the beach.
JR: I often go to Normandy to ride motorcycles on the beach and I discovered a spot where a German blockhouse from the war had fallen off the cliff and was sticking straight up in the middle of the beach. I mentioned it to Agnès but she didn’t seem too interested. Then one day I told her the name of the village and it clicked. She went, “Wait, I
know Saint-Aubin-Sur-Mer, I went there with Guy Bourdin back in the ’50s.” I took her there, and she took me to Guy Bourdin’s house nearby. She showed me the photos she took of him back then. We walked together on the beach and said, “Why not put him here?” The pasting was grueling because we had to go fast. The blockhouse is huge and the tide was coming in.
AV: I’d taken that photo of Guy Bourdin sitting down with his legs out straight, but it was your idea to paste him up tilted, and turn the war bunker into a cradle nestling a young man. I was extremely moved by how the meaning of the photo was transformed, of what it briefly became. Then pssshhht, in came the tide and washed it all away.
OP: The experience of that particular photo at the end of that particular sequence strikes me as the perfect illustration of your project: how it came about, how it developed and how it disappeared.
JR: The film expresses that, along with our friendship that grew throughout these experiences.
JR: What’s happening with your eyes made an impression on me. It upset me, and also became the subject of the film.
AV: That’s going a little too far, but it’s true that “eyes and the gaze” are important in your work, and in the film. You see clearly, which helps my blurry eyes, and – paradoxically – your eyes are always hidden behind dark glasses. We surprise each other. I especially hope we’ll surprise viewers with our relationship and through the amazing personal stories we gathered. I’ll never forget some of the things people said.
OP: The end of the film was surprising to me.
AV: It’s a surprise we experienced, and one I don’t wish to comment on.
JR: When we got on the train, I didn’t know where Agnès was taking me. That was the game. Then we stopped playing and everything became real, an adventure. Then we looked at Lake Leman…
AV: … with its clement waters (it’s true), and that’s where we leave the film.
Agnès Varda was born in Ixelles, Belgium in 1928 and grew up alongside four brothers and sisters. In 1940, her family moved to the south of France to escape the war. She spent her teenage years in Sète then moved to Paris where she studied at the École du Louvre and took evening classes in photography at the École de Vaugirard. Varda became a photographer for Jean Vilar when he founded the Avignon theater festival in 1948, then for the Théâtre National Populaire at the Palais de Chaillot in Paris. She held her first personal exhibition in 1954 in the courtyard of her home. That same year, Varda made the move to cinema without any formal training. She founded Ciné-Tamaris (a cooperative) to produce and direct her first feature, La Pointe Courte, which has earned her the title “Grandmother of the French New Wave.” She has since directed short films and features, both fiction and documentaries. In 2003, she began her third career as a visual artist at the Venice Biennale. Varda lives on Rue Daguerre in the 14th arrondissement of Paris. She married filmmaker Jacques Demy (deceased in 1990) and together they raised Rosalie Varda-Demy, costume designer turned artistic director, and Mathieu Demy, actor and filmmaker.
JR was born in 1983 near Paris and currently splits his time between both France (Paris) and the U.S. (New York). In 2001, he found a camera in the Paris Metro and began documenting his adventures in the subway and on rooftops, then pasting the pictures on outdoor city walls. This marked the beginning of his work with monumental black and white photos. JR exhibits freely on the walls of the world, attracting the attention of people who don’t typically visit museums. He pastes photos in the public space to reveal the faces and stories of people who aren’t visible, from the French slums to Turkey, from Times Square to the Pantheon in Paris, from the ghettos of Kenya to the favelas of Brazil. When pasting, community members take part in the artistic process, and there is no stage to separate the actors from the spectators. Since he remains anonymous and doesn’t explain his huge portraits, JR leaves room for an encounter between the subject/protagonist and the passerby/interpreter. This is the essence of JR’s work: asking questions.
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